{"id":11,"date":"2012-08-25T17:43:01","date_gmt":"2012-08-25T21:43:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/?p=11"},"modified":"2012-08-25T18:12:16","modified_gmt":"2012-08-25T22:12:16","slug":"paradigm-policeman","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/paradigm-policeman\/","title":{"rendered":"Paradigm Policeman"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/cop2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-16\" title=\"cop\" src=\"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/cop2.jpg\" alt=\"credit: Noel Feling's Luxury Comedy\" width=\"646\" height=\"414\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/cop2.jpg 646w, http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/cop2-300x192.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 646px) 100vw, 646px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In his new book, <em>Did Jesus Exist?<\/em> Professor Bart Ehrman appears addicted to the fallacious \u00e2\u20ac\u0153appeal to consensus.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d He seemingly never tires of treating New Testament scholarship as a game of <em>Family Feud<\/em>. What hypotheses are to be taken seriously? \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Survey says!\u00e2\u20ac\u009d If the majority of scholars think A, then A must be the truth. But if one is feeling up to evaluating actual arguments, one will not refer to nose-count epistemology at all. One will not think to take refuge amid the herd. True, Bart no longer defends fundamentalism, but he is an apologist for a new orthodoxy, \u00e2\u20ac\u0153mainstream scholarship,\u00e2\u20ac\u009d the Society of Biblical Literature. I call this the \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Stuck in the Middle with You\u00e2\u20ac\u009d school of biblical scholarship, where nothing out of the comfortable bell curve of theories can be considered seriously. Berger and Luckmann well describe what Bart is up to: he is a \u00e2\u20ac\u0153legitimator,\u00e2\u20ac\u009d a public relations man for a professional guild.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The outsiders have to be <em>kept<\/em> out\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6 If\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6 the subuniverse [of meaning] requires various special privileges and recognitions from the larger society, there is the problem of keeping out the outsiders and at the same time having them acknowledge the legitimacy of this procedure. This is done through various techniques of intimidation, rational and irrational propaganda\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6, mystification and, generally, the manipulation of prestige symbols.<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn1\">[1]<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">This is, of course, why we see Bart (and other members of the academic elite, like Luke Timothy Johnson) trying to undermine the claims of \u00e2\u20ac\u0153eccentric\u00e2\u20ac\u009d Mythicists by throwing around talk of who has or doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t have official credentials and illustrious teaching posts. I know this sounds like sour grapes from me. I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t perceive it that way (though who knows his own heart?), but even if it is, that only reinforces Berger and Luckmann\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s point and the application of it to the case at hand, doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t it?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">But there is a more serious misunderstanding implied in his ceaseless appeals to \u00e2\u20ac\u0153what most scholars think.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d And here I am thinking of Thomas S. Kuhn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s great book, <em>The Structure of Scientific Revolutions<\/em>.<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn2\">[2]<\/a> Kuhn demonstrates how science advances at least as much by the formulation of new interpretive paradigms as by the accumulation of new data and discoveries. Copernicus had no new data when he rejected earth-centered Ptolemaic cosmology for sun-centered cosmology. He just found a simpler, more natural, economic, and comprehensive way to construe the evidence everyone already possessed. There was the little problem of the retrograde motion of the planets. Usually they seemed to trace a circular course around the earth, but on occasion they seemed to take a step or two backward, shuffle around a bit, then continue on their circular course. Why? Ptolemaic astronomers posited that the planets were, so to speak, poised atop a fantastic array of meshing gears and wheels which kept them going but with a kind of \u00e2\u20ac\u0153leap year\u00e2\u20ac\u009d jog every once and a while. It was still regular and in principle predictable once you had worked out the schematics. But what a mess! Copernicus realized it would all be much simpler if, say, the earth and the planets revolved around the sun. That way, the retrograde motion would be the result of our watching the motion of the other heavenly bodies from a <em>moving platform<\/em>. Bingo!<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Martin Luther condemned Copernicus as a madman, but he was like Nietzsche\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s madman in <em>The Gay Science<\/em>: he was right, but he came too soon. It would take a good while till his public could catch up with him. The same thing happened, for instance, with Alfred Wegener, who first proposed the theory of Continental Drift. He, too, was dismissed as an eccentric, though everyone now knows he was right all along.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 Why do new theorists often face such opposition from the scientific establishment? It is facile to vilify the \u00e2\u20ac\u0153mossbacks\u00e2\u20ac\u009d who just have too much invested in the way the game is currently played and are not willing to change the rules. Are they just dealing with cognitive dissonance by fending off a new theory that would mean they had been wrong? These things may actually be true, though to pass such a judgment one would really have to be a mind-reader. But it makes no difference. The new theorist <em>must<\/em> run the gauntlet, because his theory must be able to prove itself. For the scientific establishment to jump on the bandwagon at once would be to jump the gun. The theorist will (or should) be only too happy to submit his theory to exhaustive scrutiny (as Paul is depicted doing in Galatians 2:1-2). Isn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t that the essence of scientific method? You don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t want anyone to take anything by faith. You try to debunk your <em>own<\/em> theory, because that is the only possible way to see if it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s got what it takes. If it does, we can expect that the new paradigm will eventually receive recognition, just as Copernicus\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s and Wegener\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s did. Here we see the proper and valuable role of scholarly consensus. And it means that finding oneself in a tiny minority advocating a theory does not mean one is a weirdo and a crank. You might be, and there are plenty of them, but no one will be able to say so for sure until the elders of the scholarly establishment get busy scrutinizing the theory. This is what Bart discourages with his Steve Harvey-like appeals to majority opinion. Frank Zindler, Earl Doherty, Rene Salm, myself and the other Mythicists he seeks to refute might be Immanuel Velikovsky, sure, but we might be Alfred Wegener. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s too early for Bart to tell. The fact that we form a tiny minority doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t by itself mean a damn thing.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t want to be unfair. Bart does after all deal with many Mythicist arguments, but it seems clear to me he is simply not ready to \u00e2\u20ac\u0153think outside the box\u00e2\u20ac\u009d of his SBL peers. Again and again, as I read the book, I realized that he and I occupy different universes of biblical criticism. He believes the \u00e2\u20ac\u0153lucky seven\u00e2\u20ac\u009d Pauline Epistles to be authentic and holds to what I regard as unrealistically early (apologetics-derived) dates for the gospels. He thinks the canned speeches in Acts preserve facts about Jesus even though careful vocabulary and conceptual studies by Earl Richard<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn3\">[3]<\/a> and others have shown them all to be the work of the Acts author. By contrast, I am a student of the classic Higher Critics (e.g., F.C. Baur, D.F. Strauss, Wilhelm Wrede, Rudolf Bultmann, Walter Schmithals) and the more extreme Dutch Radical Critics (especially Willem Christiaan van Manen and L. Gordon Rylands).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 Like many neo-conservative New Testament scholars today, Bart is on the one hand unwilling to entertain the possibility of textual interpolations in the early decades from which no manuscript evidence survives at all;<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn4\">[4]<\/a> while on the other, he is willing to trim away the more blatant marks of Christian interpolation from the <em>Testimonium Flavianum<\/em> (what Josephus supposedly says about Jesus) as scribal embellishment because it would allow him to take what\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s left as a genuine testimony to Jesus. Not that he thinks it would prove much in either case\u00e2\u20ac\u201dor does he? Depends on what page you are reading. Similarly, he accepts the claim of Papias, second-century bishop of Hierapolis, that he met people who claimed to be acquaintances of Jesus\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 disciples, even though he himself rejects everything Papias claimed to have learned from them about the authorship of the gospels. Nor does he mention Papias\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 cartoonish account of the grotesque swelling of Judas Iscariot before he <em>exploded<\/em>, something that surely ruins the good bishop\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s claim to any credibility. Do I remember correctly that Bart wrote a book<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn5\">[5]<\/a> on fraud and forgery in the New Testament?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 The methodological error here, trying to make bad evidence into good, is a sort of cousin to the error bemoaned by D.F. Strauss<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn6\">[6]<\/a> so long ago, according to which Protestant Rationalists supposed that, though the major point of a miracle story, the supernatural event, might be rejected, other, tangential features might nonetheless be genuine historical data. Strauss rejected this, pointing out that the ancillary details were there only for the sake of the story\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s main point and that it was arbitrary to maintain the former while rejecting the latter. That is essentially Bart\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s strategy in the case of the speeches in Acts, the Josephus text, and the Papias traditions. He has no business picking up the scraps. He has to throw the bathwater out once he has ejected the baby. But he won\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 <em>Did Jesus Exist?<\/em> makes repeated fallacious appeals to authority and majority opinion, nor is he loathe to loathe. That is, he aims <em>ad hominem<\/em> attacks like Cupid\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s arrows. Personally, I do not appreciate it when he invites the reader to write me off as a bitter ex-fundamentalist, implying my work is mere rationalization of my apostasy. He mistakenly thinks I used to be an evangelical preacher. I did spend a dozen years as a born-again Christian, but I became disillusioned with it precisely because, against my every hope and desire, I found I could no longer accept the apologetical arguments for gospel accuracy and biblical authority. What irritation my writings display expresses my righteous indignation at the bogus argumentation of the conservative writers. I suspect that Bart has occasionally felt the same way. But at the end of the book he writes all of us Mythicists off as merely pursuing an anti-religious agenda. Is he a mind reader? Does it not occur to him that our embrace of radical criticism might have helped <em>lead to<\/em> our disillusionment with faith rather than being an after-the-fact rationalization of it? Bart sounds like \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Scientific Creationist\u00e2\u20ac\u009d fundamentalists who charge scientists with believing in evolution merely as a way to escape repenting and believing in God.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 When I first discarded evangelicalism (years before I became a church pastor) I held views almost identical to those Bart espouses today: Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet much as Albert Schweitzer described him. And these views were for me no more a function of my rejection of faith than they are for Bart. Again, like him, back then I viewed the arguments of G.A. Wells (at the time a Mythicist) with astonishment and skepticism. But as the years went by and I studied more and more perspectives neglected by most scholars I knew, I found myself going in a more radical direction, not because I found the notions particularly attractive, but because I could no longer accept the arguments of moderate critics. And I have paid the price for it professionally, not that I am complaining. Indeed, \u00e2\u20ac\u0153the lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 Let me turn to a very few places where I believe Bart gets me wrong or offers ineffective arguments against my views. Most often he just professes to find my arguments implausible or unpersuasive. There is nothing I can do about that. I have to rely upon my readers to make that call for themselves. I trust they will not merely take his word for it. But there are a few points, I say, where I really must raise an objection.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 First, he says I misunderstand the criterion of dissimilarity and embarrassment<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn7\">[7]<\/a> when I employ it to urge the inauthenticity of this or that gospel saying or story. He says I do not get it, that the proper use of the criterion is to sift through the texts to find those that can jump the hurdles. We should accept, he says, gospel material that do not appear to be so similar to early Christian belief or to current Jewish material that it looks to have been borrowed from one or the other. Anything that does not match up with early Church or Jewish material must really be from Jesus, something distinctive, a point where Jesus differed from Judaism, or something he said that went over like a lead balloon, not picked up by Christians. And embarrassment (what Crossan calls \u00e2\u20ac\u0153damage control\u00e2\u20ac\u009d)? The idea here is that certain features in the gospel material that gave later Christians theological headaches (Jesus receiving John\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s baptism of repentance, Jesus denying he is good and therefore that he is God, his cry of dereliction from the cross, his admission of ignorance re the time of the end, etc.) must be historical, since Christians would never have made them up. (Thus embarrassment is a special case of dissimilarity: if some loose end is conspicuous by the chagrin it caused later Christians, it is dissimilar to their Christian beliefs and thus, ostensibly, could not have been derived from them.) The purpose of the criterion is indeed to help us winnow out the chaff and preserve the wheat. I know that.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 Can Bart possibly miss my point that <em>none of the material passes the test<\/em>? I think I am the first (though who cares?) to note that the basic axiom of form criticism throws a deep shadow over the usefulness of the dissimilarity\/embarrassment criterion, and here\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s why. Form critics argue that nothing would have been preserved in the process of oral transmission that was not useful for some purpose (catechetical, homiletic, ritual legitimization, polemical, etc.) of the early Christians. Nothing seems to have been preserved for the sake of abstract curiosity. Well, if that is so, then <em>everything<\/em> in the gospel tradition reflects early Christian interests or we would not be reading it now! And that means we cannot be sure <em>anything<\/em> was not fabricated to serve those interests. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s not that we know the stuff <em>was <\/em>fabricated; it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s just that we can\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t say it <em>wasn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t<\/em>, and that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s the point of the criterion, isn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t it? To show what wasn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t fabricated? And nothing passes the test.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Bart, like all mainstream critics, is less critical than he thinks, since he tacitly imagines all early Christians believed, thought, and practiced the same things. But they didn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t. What was embarrassing to one writer or one generation needn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t have been embarrassing to the one before. It is obvious, for instance, that Mark had no problem with a humble Jesus who could apply to John for a baptism of repentance or could tell the Rich Young Ruler not to call him good. Mark had no problem with Jesus being surprised at the lack of faith among his townsfolk, or with his inability to heal them. Matthew, however, did, so he changed it. The earlier version of faith is not necessarily historical fact. Bart seems to realize this when he recognizes the presence in Acts, Romans, etc., of vestiges of adoptionist Christology, the belief that Jesus was a mortal man subsequently adopted as God\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s son, perhaps at his baptism, perhaps at the resurrection. This hardly means Jesus must actually have been adopted as God\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s son somewhere along the line just because the notion undermines pre-existence Christology. It just means that an earlier <em>belief<\/em> was embarrassing to later believers. Likewise, just because Matthew wished Mark hadn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t depicted Jesus as being baptized in the Jordan confessing his sins doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t mean that it actually happened.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">And this brings me to Bart\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s lambasting my suggestion that the story of Jesus\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 baptism might have been rewritten from that of the Persian prophet Zoroaster. Ehrman has two cheap shots to fire here. First, he complains that I can\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t get my story straight, since elsewhere I claim all the gospel narratives were worked up from Old Testament originals. But I clearly state that there were other sources, too. Besides this, Bart admits that many gospel stories do seem to parallel various Old Testament tales, but he laughs the fact off, pleading that the stories may still preserve a core of historical material even though the tellers of these tales added scriptural form and color to them. What, pray tell, is <em>left<\/em>? Are you saying Jesus really <em>did<\/em> multiply food for the crowds and this led the teller of the story to make it look like the similar story where Elisha does the same thing? That won\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t work: the only \u00e2\u20ac\u0153detail\u00e2\u20ac\u009d the two stories have in common is the central \u00e2\u20ac\u0153fact\u00e2\u20ac\u009d of the feeding miracle. And isn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t it obvious that the \u00e2\u20ac\u0153peripheral\u00e2\u20ac\u009d detail consists rather in the change from Elisha as the miracle worker to Jesus? In any case, if a gospel story and an Old Testament story look quite similar, isn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t the simplest explanation that the Jesus version has been rewritten from the Elijah, Elisha, or Moses version? Bart is not shaving with Occam\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s Razor. He is positing superfluous, redundant explanations.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Second, he, like apologists, likes to seal off the sphere of biblical culture from the adjacent religious world. I can understand that bias on the part of conservatives who want to see Christianity flowing directly out of the Old Testament, without other tributaries, for theological reasons. But Bart allegedly no longer cares to defend such interests. Then why does he ignore the massive influence of Zoroastrianism on Pharisaic Judaism? Many scholars believe Jews derived belief in an end-time resurrection, the apocalyptic periodization of history, the notion of a virgin-born future savior, the idea of an evil anti-God, and an elaborate angelology from Zoroastrianism. The rabbis thought that Zoroaster was the same man as Baruch the scribe of Jeremiah! That means they were trying to legitimatize the Jewish assimilation of Zoroastrian themes during and after the Exile. T.W. Manson<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn8\">[8]<\/a> suggested that the traditionalist Sadducees (\u00e2\u20ac\u0153Syndics, Councilmen\u00e2\u20ac\u009d) resisted these borrowings and labeled those who accepted them as \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Pharisees\u00e2\u20ac\u009d (i.e., \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Parsees, Persians, Zoroastrians\u00e2\u20ac\u009d) because of it. (Later the Pharisees redefined the term to make it a badge of honor: \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Perushim\u00e2\u20ac\u009d now denoting \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Separatists, Puritans.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d Am I such a nut for suggesting possible Zoroastrian influence on the baptism story?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 What I have just mentioned is an example of <em>synchronic<\/em> comparison: tracing possible influence from one phenomenon to another close to it in time and space. Bart gives me hell for my invocation of the fact that Hong Xiuquan, the 19<sup>th<\/sup>-century Taiping messiah in China, called himself \u00e2\u20ac\u0153the younger brother of Jesus\u00e2\u20ac\u009d as a possible parallel to the use of \u00e2\u20ac\u0153brother of the Lord\u00e2\u20ac\u009d for James the Just. Across so many centuries? Far-fetched, right? How can Bart not recognize a <em>diachronic<\/em> comparison (a comparison of analogous phenomena across time)? As I say quite clearly, the Taiping messiah obviously could not have been claiming to be the blood brother of Jesus unless he was Mel Brooks\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s character the 2,000 Year Old Man. No, he used the title to mean he was the earthly manifestation of another hypostasis of the Godhead, just as Jesus had been. Such a title need not at all imply its holder was the brother of a historical Jesus, either in the first century or the 19th. I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t see what\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s so funny about that.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 Speaking of James the Just, Bart paints me as claiming that James was a fictional character, an artificial eponymous ancestor of a tribe, like the Old Testament tribal patriarchs whom the ancients posited, as Hermann Gunkel<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn9\">[9]<\/a> argued, to cement alliances between hitherto-independent tribes. But Christians were not an ethnic group! Nor am I so stupid. I believe I made it pretty clear that the case of the Israelite, Edomite, and Ishmaelite patriarchs is a historical analogy for the hypothetical grafting together of James, a sect figurehead in his own right, and Jesus as brothers in order to facilitate the combining of the two sects. I would be much surprised if Bart did not believe that Luke\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s connection of Jesus and John the Baptist as cousins is not exactly the same sort of thing.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 I cringe at his discussions of the attempted refutation of the dying and rising god myth by Jonathan Z. Smith as well as the obliviousness of Tryggve Mettinger<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn10\">[10]<\/a> to the implications of his own arguments on the subject. I have dealt with these authors in detail elsewhere, in fact, in books Bart says he has read. He could at least have done me the courtesy of replying to the arguments. If he thinks they are stupid, too, he might have done the reader the favor of explaining why.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 It is interesting that Stanley Fish blurbs the book, thanking Bart for swatting Mythicism like the annoying fly it is. Bart\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s book is a prime example of what Fish himself explains in his great book <em>Is There a Text in this Class?<\/em> There Fish shows how an argument over texts can be meaningful only between those who belong to same \u00e2\u20ac\u0153interpretive community,\u00e2\u20ac\u009d sharing the same assumptions and methods. <a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn11\">[11]<\/a> Catholics cannot really argue from scripture against Protestants, and vice versa, because one feels free to allegorize the text and the other doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t. A Structuralist and a Deconstructive critic talk past one another. It would be like two teams in a stadium, one playing baseball, the other football. Each community embraces its own paradigm, its own frame of reference which includes its own criteria for the plausibility of readings and arguments. A reading seems \u00e2\u20ac\u0153natural\u00e2\u20ac\u009d or \u00e2\u20ac\u0153the plain sense\u00e2\u20ac\u009d if it is the accustomed reading.<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn12\">[12]<\/a> If you have always read it one way, no new reading can sound plausible to you. Unless of course, you make what Don Cupitt<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn13\">[13]<\/a> calls \u00e2\u20ac\u0153the leap of reason\u00e2\u20ac\u009d and try to see it the other guy\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s way. And then you may find it makes new sense to you.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I remember when I first heard there were scholars<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn14\">[14]<\/a> who argued that the Sodom and Gomorrah story had nothing to do with homosexuality. At first my reaction was to scoff. But then the sheer outlandishness of it made me curious. Why on earth do intelligent people think this? I read and pondered their argument\u00e2\u20ac\u201dand found myself convinced. At first I thought Deconstruction was the merest nonsense. But then I realized, \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Listen, Price, there must be something to this, some game these people are playing, a method to the seeming madness. Let me find out what it is.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d And I did, and I found it illuminating. And, need I say, I started out the same way with the Christ Myth Theory\u00e2\u20ac\u201doutlandish! But the more I looked at it, the more astonished I was at the sense, better sense it began to seem, that it made of the evidence. Again, I am no mind reader, but Bart gives every indication of being someone who has not taken the requisite leap of reason beyond the boundaries (and the blinders) of his interpretive community. Certain ideas appear to him outrageous because he has never heard them, or never heard them taken seriously by those whom he deems to be serious scholars, serious precisely because they do not take seriously nutty notions like Mythicism.<\/p>\n<div>So Says Zarathustra.<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bible_spidey1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-15\" title=\"bible_spidey\" src=\"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bible_spidey1.jpg\" alt=\"proof of existance\" width=\"718\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bible_spidey1.jpg 718w, http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/zblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/bible_spidey1-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 718px) 100vw, 718px\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div>\n<hr align=\"left\" size=\"1\" width=\"33%\" \/>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref1\">[1]<\/a> Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann, <em>The Social Construction of Reality: A Treatise in the Sociology of Knowledge<\/em> (Garden City: Doubleday Anchor Books, 1967), p. 87.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref2\">[2]<\/a> Thomas S. Kuhn, <em>The Structure of Scientific Revolutions<\/em>.(Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1962).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref3\">[3]<\/a> Earl Richard, <em>Acts 6:1-8:4: The Author\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s Method of Composition<\/em>. Society of Biblical Literature Dissertation Series 41 (Missoula: Scholars Press, 1978).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref4\">[4]<\/a> He alleges that Christ Myth Theorists engage in the <em>ad hoc<\/em> strategy of what some call \u00e2\u20ac\u0153surgical exegesis\u00e2\u20ac\u009d or what Walter Kaufmann called \u00e2\u20ac\u0153gerrymandering the Bible\u00e2\u20ac\u009d (<em>The Faith of a Heretic<\/em> [Garden City: Doubleday Anchor Books, 1963], p. 109), writing off New Testament texts inconvenient for one\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s hypothesis as later interpolations. I would refer him to William O. Walker, Jr., <em>Interpolations in the Pauline Letters<\/em>. Journal for the Study of the New Testament Supplement Series 13 (London: Sheffield Academic Press, 2001), pp. 18-19 and the material cited in fn 54, for 1 Cor. 11:23-26 as an interpolation. Walker is no Christ Myth kook. Nor was the late Winsome Munro who offers (as Walker does) definite criteria for spotting interpolations from the early period in her <em>Authority in Paul and Peter: The Identification of a Pastoral Stratum in the Pauline Corpus and 1 Peter<\/em>. Society for New Testament Studies Monograph Series 45 (NY: Cambridge University Press, 1983).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref5\">[5]<\/a> Bart D. Ehrman, <em>Forged: Writing in the Name of God \u00e2\u20ac\u201c Why the Bible\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are<\/em> (NY: Harper Collins, 2011).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref6\">[6]<\/a> David Friedrich Strauss, <em>The Life of Jesus Critically Examined<\/em>. Trans. George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans). Lives of Jesus Series (Philadelphia: Forrtress Press, 1972), p. 55.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref7\">[7]<\/a> You can\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t beat the discussion of these criteria by Norman Perrin in his <em>Rediscovering the Teaching of Jesus<\/em> (NY: Harper &amp; Row, 1976), pp. 39-47.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref8\">[8]<\/a> T.W. Manson, <em>The Servant Messiah: A Study of the Public Ministry of Jesus<\/em> (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1953), pp. 18-19.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref9\">[9]<\/a> Hermann Gunkel, <em>Genesis<\/em>. Trans. Mark E. Biddle. Mercer Library of Biblical Studies (Macon: Mercer University Press, 1997), pp. xviii-xix.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref10\">[10]<\/a> Tryggve N.D. Mettinger, <em>The Riddle of Resurrection: \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Dying and Rising Gods\u00e2\u20ac\u009d in the Ancient Near East<\/em>. Coniectanea Biblica Old Testament Series 50. (Stockholm: Almqvist &amp; Wiksell International, 2001).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref11\">[11]<\/a> Stanley Fish, <em>Is There a Text in this Calss? The Authority of Interpretive Communities<\/em> (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1980), e.g., pp. 171-172.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref12\">[12]<\/a> Fish, p. 276.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref13\">[13]<\/a> Don Cupitt, <em>The Leap of Reason<\/em>. Studies in Philosophy and Religion 4 (London: Sheldon Press, 1976).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref14\">[14]<\/a> Derrick Sherwin Bailey, <em>Homosexuality and the Western Christian Tradition<\/em> (London: Longmans, Green and Co., 1955), Chapter I, \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Sodom and Gomorrah,\u00e2\u20ac\u009d pp. 1-28.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In his new book, Did Jesus Exist? Professor Bart Ehrman appears addicted to the fallacious \u00e2\u20ac\u0153appeal to consensus.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d He seemingly never tires of treating New Testament scholarship as a game of Family Feud. 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